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Witam,
Zakładam ten wątek troszkę może za szybko bo telewizorek pojawi się na rynku dopiero za kilka miesięcy ale ten właśnie telewizorek zrobił furorę na CES 2013. Dlaczego? W/g recenzentów naocznych świadków z Vegas jakością obrazu rządził OLED. Jednakże ten Samsung, zupełnie nowa konstrukcja świecił tak, jak prawie OLED. Samsung twierdzi że potrafi on być jasny jak LED mając przy tym czerń plazmy i to nie taką jaka była w 2012 ale kilka razy głębszą. No i ci wszyscy od hdtvtestcouk przez avforums po cnetcom całkowicie to potwierdzają. Nie będę wklejał zdjęć i linków na początek tylko filmik z YT odnośnie tego super kontrastowego panelu. Dla mnie jest to o tyle ciekawy TV że może być super sprzętem w super cenie i oby tak było.
Jeśli znajdziecie jakieś ciekawe info odnośnie tematu to pociągnijcie wątek.

Albo wkleje linka z opisem:)

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/samsung-f8500-plasma-tv-201301122576.htm

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P.S Ponoć zdeklasował VT50, podobnie jak uczynił to ZT60 ale ten ostatni tani to nie będzie. Z 18tys lekko:( Edited by Gmeru

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Czekam z niecierpliwością na testy wersji 64' i porównania z nowymi Panasonicami. Zobaczymy też, jak nowe modele zostaną wycenione. Cieszy fakt, że plazma nie umarła i ciągle jeszcze będzie można kupić dobry "filmowy" telewizor (zapewne jeszcze lepszy niż w 2012r.) i spokojniej czekać na OLED'y.

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Witam,

Zakładam ten wątek troszkę może za szybko bo telewizorek pojawi się na rynku dopiero za kilka miesięcy ale ten właśnie telewizorek zrobił furorę na CES 2013. Dlaczego? W/g recenzentów naocznych świadków z Vegas jakością obrazu rządził OLED. Jednakże ten Samsung, zupełnie nowa konstrukcja świecił tak, jak prawie OLED. Samsung twierdzi że potrafi on być jasny jak LED mając przy tym czerń plazmy i to nie taką jaka była w 2012 ale kilka razy głębszą. No i ci wszyscy od hdtvtestcouk przez avforums po cnetcom całkowicie to potwierdzają. Nie będę wklejał zdjęć i linków na początek tylko filmik z YT odnośnie tego super kontrastowego panelu. Dla mnie jest to o tyle ciekawy TV że może być super sprzętem w super cenie i oby tak było.

Jeśli znajdziecie jakieś ciekawe info odnośnie tematu to pociągnijcie wątek.

Albo wkleje linka z opisem:)

http://www.hdtvtest....01301122576.htm

!

P.S Ponoć zdeklasował VT50, podobnie jak uczynił to ZT60 ale ten ostatni tani to nie będzie. Z 18tys lekko:(

Zdeklasował, ale czym konkretnie ? Bo na pewno nie czernią. Z tą super ceną to też przesadziłeś... zależy jak dla kogo.

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@endeladus, ja tylko przytaczam słowa tych którzy tam byli, nie przesadzam a jeśli już to na wiosnę:)

Zdeklasował w/g nich właśnie czernią w warunkach jasnego oświetlenia, niebywałym kontrastem i jasnością panelu oraz filtrem. Poczytaj w/w strony.

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Panowie teraz to jest gdybanie fajnie,że będą dwie dobre plazmy,a która będzie lepsza to będzie wiedział nadworny recenzet Panasonica David Katzmaier.Sam jestem ciekaw jego opinii,bo referencyjne plazmy Panasonica są w/g niego już od kilku lat.

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pożyjemy-zobaczymy. Na razie nie ma się za bardzo co podniecać bo ile razy to już było, że zapowiadało się świetnie, a było jak było :)

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Wyczytalem na forum samsunga że ta plazma w celu uzyskania super jakości ma zreć max prądu tj 600watts 64 całe nie wiem tylko czy to przejdzie w EU info z obywatelhd

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PN60F8500

http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=en&tl=pl&js=n&prev=_t&hl=pl&ie=UTF-8&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tweaktv.com%2Fin-dspth-hdtv-reviews%2Fpreliminary-review-of-samsung-s-new-pn60f8500-plasma.html

Dzień - 226 cd/m2

Noc - 137 cd/m2

Czarny ekran "naturalny" - 0.0137 cd/m2

Czarny ekran + Black Optimizer - 0.0034 cd/m2

ANSI biały - 82 cd/m2

ANSI czarny - 0.010 cd/m2

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Ciekawe wyniki Samsunga. Widać, że sporo poprawili się od zeszłego roku. Wygląda na to, że pozbyli się wreszcie problemu pływającej czerni skoro MLL na planszy ANSI jest taki sam jak na czarnym ekranie. Poza tym wrażenie robi bardzo wysoka jasność jak na plazmę. To właściwie poziom jaki reprezentował kuro. VT50 osiąga "marne" ~58cd/m2 na szachownicy, a samsung wyciągnął aż 82cd/m2... Szkoda, że nie zrobili pomiarów ANSI VT60, bo 82cd/m2 na planszy 20% APL to nie jest rewelacja i zastanawiam się, czy łapska ekologów znowu nie grzebały przy topowym modelu. Rozczarowuje też MLL - 0.01cd/m2. Ubiegłoroczny VT50 osiągał podobne wartości - od 0.011 do 0.07 w zależności od rozmiaru matrycy...

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czy łapska ekologów znowu nie grzebały przy topowym modelu

Jest nadzieja, że nie.

50VT50E - 410W

50VT60E - 455W

Skala w menu jest do 100 (tak jak w USA), a nie do 60. Ale w ST60 też jest do 100, a pobór energii w ST60 się nie zwiększył.

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Trzeba jeszcze zaczekać na pierwsze testy w Europie i wówczas się okaże. No moim zdaniem jeśli się zbliżą do Kuro czernią, kontrastem a do tego te wszystkie funkcje i 3D to będziemy mogli mówić o pogromcy Kuro. Tak myśle, nawet jeśli Kuro wciąż bedzie miał na tablicy minimalnie głębszą czerń.

Dwa review ze US za avsforum:


Samsung’s PN60F8500 review by Kevin Miller


Pros: Vastly improved black level and light output capability combine to deliver a dramatic increase in Contrast Ratio. The panel is processing RGB correctly going well below video black (16) and well above white (235), further improving contrast ratio. Video processing correctly handles 24p Blu-ray content at 96Hz, and also offers a Judder Corrector feature.

Cons: The 2pt and 10pt white balance and Custom Color Space CMS (Color Management System) calibration features seem to interact quite a bit making professional calibration time consuming. Vertical viewing angle is poor at close range, due to the ambient light rejecting filter on the panel, but is not a problem at normal viewing distances.


Contrast Ratio: Samsung has managed to dramatically increase the panel’s light output capability from last year. Black level on the panel is also significantly lower than anything Samsung has ever made in the plasma category. These two advances combine to increase the overall contrast ratio significantly.

Black level measured a very impressive .001with the new Black Optimizer feature set to the Dark Room setting. It measured significantly higher at .004 with that feature turned off. By way of comparison, the Panasonic TC-P65VT50 measured .002 at last year’s flat panel shootout, which was the best black level of any plasma panel in 2012. The black level on the Samsung is still not as low as the vaunted Pioneer Kuros, the last of which measured .0005. I saw no difference in the actual black level (either raised or crushed) at the different settings for the Black Optimizer while viewing test patterns from my Video Forge HDTV signal generator, and PLUGE patterns from both the HD Basics and Spears & Munsil Blu-ray test discs.

I set white level to a peak light output of 40 fL for the calibration of the Movie Mode for dark room viewing. I also implemented the Cal-Night and Cal-Day picture modes in the service menu of the 60F8500 and performed separate calibrations for those modes as well. It should be noted that the calibration of the Movie mode produced better results than I was able to achieve with the Cal-Night mode. Specifically, grayscale tracking was closer to the Rec 709 standard in the Movie mode vs. the Cal-Night mode post calibration. The peak light output for the Cal-Day mode was an impressive 66 fL, which is significantly brighter than any 60-inch or larger plasma I have ever measured. I suspect the panel is capable of more light output in the Dynamic (Read: Best Buy Torch Mode) mode, but I did not make that measurement as it has no pertinence to a calibrated picture.

I measured what I refer to as ‘’On Screen” ANSI contrast ratio using a 4 x 4 ANSI Checkerboard pattern from the Video Forge with the Klein K-10A colorimeter right up on the screen. The average of the black squares was significantly higher at .003 than the black measured on a full field video black, which was .001. The average of the white squares was 24fL significantly lower than the peak white measured with a 100 IRE window in the center of the screen, which of course is caused by the voltage regulation circuitry that all PDPs have to utilize. The resulting Contrast Ratio measurement was 8000:1, which is an impressive number, but could’ve been significantly higher if the black squares measured closer to the video black measurement of .001, which means there is some leakage from the white into the black squares.

Color Accuracy: Overall color accuracy is excellent on the PN60F8500. Samsung has had a slight color saturation issue with their LED based LCD and plasma panels for years now, the cause for which has been difficult to assess. I have found in years past that using their Blue Only feature under RGB Only that skin tones were slightly too pink. Last year, the correct setting was 48. Samsung seemed to have corrected this issue as the color preset of 50 now yields perfect saturation and skin tone rendition. Looking at the same scenes from “I am Legend” and “SkyFall” on the PN60F8500, side by side with a fully calibrated TC-P65VT50, color and skin tones looked identical on the two panels.

Grayscale tracking pre-calibration on the PN60D8500 was excellent in the Movie Mode and Warm 2 color temperature setting. Oddly enough, with only a minor tweak to the 2pt white balance controls, I found the rest of the grayscale shifted significantly, necessitating a full 10pt white balance adjustment. There was also some significant interaction between the 2pt and 10pt controls, which made it necessary to go back and forth between the two features a number of times to get the best results.

The gamma curve was a nearly perfect 2.38 at the factory preset of 0 in the Movie Mode for dark room applications. Strangely, in the Cal-Night setting, I had to bring the gamma down to -2 due to a big dip at 90% luminance, which produced a slightly too high 2.5 gamma curve. This and some very strange levels in the 2pt grayscale, and a -15 setting for the Flesh Tone feature, which is usually set to 0 from the factory, leads me to believe there is a firmware or software bug in the Cal-Night and Cal-Day modes at least for this model. I have forwarded my findings to my contacts at Samsung, and am confident this issue will be remedied fairly quickly.

Color space required some minor tweaking in the Custom mode to get it nearly exactly to spec as per Rec 709 in the Movie mode. In the Cal-Night and Cal-Day modes, the Auto setting for Color Space was so good it did not require any manipulation of the Custom mode to correct it. See the PDFs for the data.

Video Processing: The PN60F8500 handles 1080i signals perfectly when Film Mode is set to Auto 1, which engages 2:3 pull-down circuitry in the set. The panel clearly passes the Video Resolution Loss test on the Silicon Image HQV Blu-ray test disc when the output resolution of the Blu-ray player is set to 1080i. It also passes the Film Resolution Loss test on the same disc when the output resolution of the player is set to 1080p.

Also on tap in the 8500 is 96Hz processing for handling 24fps material from Blu-ray movie discs, and it works very well. In fact, this is an area where the Samsung F8500 series handily outperforms the Panasonic VT50 series as the Panasonic first takes the signal to 60Hz inserting 2:3 pull-down before then converting the signal to 96Hz. This produces an unacceptable amount of jitter in the picture and is best left at the 60Hz setting in the Panasonic. Not so on the Samsung, which renders left to right pans with 24p material like the helicopter fly over scene of the aircraft carrier in Chapter 7 of “I am Legend” with absolute aplomb. I looked at this scene repeatedly, and found the best results with Film Mode set to Off, and the Judder Canceller set to Standard. The Race Car clip in 24p from the Spears & Munsil Blu-ray test disc was also reproduced very smoothly and cleanly.



Conclusion: As of this writing the Samsung 8500 series PDPs actually surpasses the recognized leader in performance in the category, the Panasonic VT50 series in some key performance parameters. While the Samsung is slightly lower in its black level, and may even get lower with more break-in time, the luminance of the white squares of an ANSI checkerboard pattern do not measure as bright as they did on last year’s Panasonic TC-P65VT50, which brings the contrast ratio down on the Samsung. This is odd considering I set the peak light output at the beginning of the calibration on the Samsung to 40 fL, and the Panasonic only achieved 33 fL in the Night mode calibration. I will be re-measuring a VT50 to confirm the contrast ratio results on that panel. In any case, this issue is relatively minor when looking at reference grade video material from Blu-ray. The video processing on the 8500 is clearly superior to the Panasonic especially when it comes to 24fps material from Blu-ray. The panel is also capable of being fully 50% brighter than the Panasonic VT50 series making it capable of a really compelling Day mode setting for viewing in high ambient light conditions.

I did a direct comparison between a fully calibrated TC-P65VT50 and the PN60F8500, and subjectively the two panels looked identical. Color and skin tone rendition looked exceptional on both, and bright and dark material all looked exactly the same. Scenes from the HD Basics Demonstration section revealed very accurate looking skin tones and richly saturated colors on the F8500. The overly pink skin tones I normally associate with Samsung sets from years past when color was set correctly is no longer an issue. The new PN60F8500 delivers rich saturation with skin tones rendered correctly, which is further evidenced by the fact that the correct setting for color is now the factory pre-set of 50 whereas for several years prior it had been 47 or 48 depending on the year. Fast motion scenes from the opening of “SkyFall” with the motorcycle chase on the rooftops was rendered smoothly and cleanly with no visible motion anomalies or artifacts.

As the title states this is a “Preliminary” review so you can expect additions/changes and possibly addendums in the coming couple of weeks. I will also be evaluating the larger 64-inch model carefully to determine if there are any material differences between the two panels.

All in all, the Samsung PN60F8500 is a very impressive plasma panel. I highly recommend this panel to anyone looking for a reference grade flat panel display. Plasma Still Rules!

*All measurements were made with a Klein K-10A colorimeter, Video Forge HD signal generator, and HD Basics and Spears & Munsil Blu-ray test discs.

i Chad B review:

Review: Samsung PN-64F8500 plasma



When I arrived at Cleveland Plasma to check out this latest beauty from Samsung, Chris could barely contain himself as he told me of the excitement the F8500 has been generating online. Big improvements over last year's E series were expected, and specifics were just beginning to trickle in. I was appreciative of Samsung's previous lines, though I admit feeling somewhat let down at the E series' limited brightness and lack of substantial improvement over the D series. Chris said it looked like the F series was going to change all that, and he was right on the money.

This is an attractive TV, with a narrow pewter bezel, slim profile, and a tiny, top mounted Skype camera. The remote is a small but solid-feeling clickable touchpad device.

The screen soaks up ambient light very well. With very bright ceiling lights on, reflections were dark and well suppressed. I could see myself looking at the screen with some effort, but my reflection appeared to be a mostly featureless silhouette.

I could hear a small amount of buzzing very close to the screen, though by about a 6 foot distance the whirring of a Blu Ray player masked the slight buzzing with most content. Some bright test patterns, like the ANSI checkerboard pattern, generated a little more buzzing that was audible from 8 or 9 feet. This can vary from one set to the next, but it is safe to say it will not be an issue on this sample.

The viewing angle is perfect from side to side, and as long as you don't stand close to a F8500 that is on the floor you shouldn't be bothered by any dimming in the vertical direction.

Before calibration:

Standard

The F8500 initially defaults to Standard mode, which looked a bit etched and artificially enhanced. Pans had the uber-smooth soap opera feel, though at times motion broke up and appeared choppy. Despite the fact that still images looked excessively grainy, it appeared that strong noise reduction was at work with moving images, making them smoother but somewhat smeared. The picture lacked stability, with brightness pumping and flashing apparent at times. Colors were vibrant and fairly pleasing, though not quite lifelike and natural. Whites appeared bright, bluish, and somewhat flat; and brightly lit faces were overexposed and suffered from a caked on makeup look. Deep blacks and fairly good shadow detail hinted of good things to come, but this display's as-delivered state hardly puts it's best foot forward.

Relax

Relax was quite similar to Standard, though without the overexposed look. Colors popped and skin tones were not as offensive as one might expect, though the overall look was more subdued and “doctored” than realistic.

Movie

Colors, which were respectable in the previous modes, improved quite a bit by switching over to Movie mode. They appeared much more realistic, though perhaps a bit pale in overall balance. In addition, the picture gained brightness and pop, and realism took a leap forward. However, depth could be a bit lacking, and whites had a bit of an off-white or greenish tinge. At times, I thought I glimpsed hints of the dirty screen effect, in which bright panning objects appeared smudged or dirty until they stop moving. Though to a much smaller degree than in the two previous modes, graininess with still images and glazed over motion were visible. Stability, contrast, and shadow detail were impressive. It appeared that Movie mode has some great qualities, though it was not quite seductively rich or lifelike yet.

Dynamic

Ugh... With it's cartoonish colors and gaudy whites, Dynamic wore thin in a hurry. However, it was bright and punchy, which will appeal to some at least in the short term.

Tweaks

A few simple things can be done by anyone to bring out significantly more performance in Movie mode. Turning sharpness down to half or less of it's starting position will reduce graininess, and with 1080 HD sources changing the Picture Size from 16:9 to Screen Fit will improve sharpness and eliminate overscan. In Picture options, changing Color Tone from Warm2 to Warm1 alleviates the off white and greenish tinge, and turning off the other various “enhancements” found there will increase the accuracy of the picture. Finally, in the advanced settings, reducing gamma to -1 eliminated a slightly flat sensation. Later, after examining the measurements, I was surprised at this since gamma was already quite high, but I did feel it made an improvement short of a more complete calibration with the aid of test equipment. After making these simple changes, without the aid of test patterns of any kind, the F8500's performance improved significantly. Thus configured and viewed in a light controlled room, the F8500 is a real head turner.

Black levels

The richness of blacks and contrast is arguably the toughest test for any display, and traditionally a good plasma will outperform a conventional LED in that regard. While last year's E series took a timid step forward, there is no doubt the F8500's blacks take a more confident leap ahead. In Movie mode's picture options, a selection called Black optimizer does seem to make the blacks darker when set to Dark room. In that setting, the black level, which appeared excellent before, improved even further; coaxing what appears to be state of the art black level performance out of the F8500. Do the blacks appear illuminated with the lights out in the Dark room setting? Yes; not even the last run of Elite Kuros could claim otherwise. However, the F8500 is so good that nearly any significant picture content made the blacks appear extremely or even totally devoid of light, which is a significant accomplishment. Bright objects appear to come out of a velvety, inky black background. However, the extra darkness comes at the price of stability. Later testing revealed that Dark room caused dynamic fluctuation of the blacks, so it will be a judgment call on whether to take advantage of that circuitry.

Black levels were measured with a C6 meter profiled with a Jeti 1211 reference spectro to the F8500.

Black level measured .0069 fL with Black optimizer off and a 1080P/60 source. With the Black optimizer set to Dark room or Auto, it measured .0025 fL. With 1080P/24 and cinema smooth on, black level was .0072/.0025 fL, which is not significantly different. With Black Optimizer set to either auto or Dark room, Movie mode's modified ANSI contrast ratio was 7436:1, at 34.95/.0047 fL. That was further evidence of some black level floating, as the black level on a dark screen was significantly lower than black level of the checkerboard. Because of this fluctuating black level in the Dark room setting, I made the decision to do the calibration in Movie mode with the Black optimizer off. As calibrated, with Black optimizer off, the modified ANSI contrast ratio measured 6034:1, at 38.62/.0064 fL.

Calibration

After going into the service menu, I opened up the Cal-Day and Cal-Night modes, which are normally not present in the TV's menu. In a departure from previous Samsungs, these modes, before calibration, produced one of the worst, most peculiar pictures I've seen yet on a modern plasma. After resetting some curiously strange settings, things looked much, much better.

The F8500 is a light output heavyweight, breaking records in my experience for large plasmas. Light output could have been as high as 58 fL after calibration in Movie mode, though I backed that down to about 51 fL after viewing some program material. Cal-Day could be calibrated up to an astonishing 84.1 fL, but otherwise behaved similarly to Movie mode once the proper groundwork was laid. The light output with a 100% full white screen was a super strong 23.4 fL. Cal-Day could reach well into the 40's with the ANSI checkerboard pattern, which is a record in my experience. These are wonderful numbers for hockey fans, because the F8500 will maintain brightness better when showing a bright rink than any other plasma I know of. It's also great news for those who have brighter rooms, because the F8500 will remain punchy when other plasmas begin to look bland.

Calibration of Movie mode was straightforward, until I got to the CMS adjustment. In the past year, thanks to advances in software capability, I've transitioned from calibrating only fully saturated colors to focusing more on 75% saturations at 75% luminance, which gives a better approximation of real world picture content. With the F8500, it's just not possible to accurately calibrate the CMS at 75% saturation; it's color gamut shrinks as saturation is reduced. I ended up targeting somewhere in between the old standard of 100% saturation/75% luminance and 75% saturation/75% luminance. What I got was a perfectly acceptable compromise, with all color saturation delta errors below about 2, but with slightly pale shades below full purity.

Unlike the E series, the F8500 goes blue the more load is placed on the ABL circuitry by progressively larger measurement windows. This is subjectively more pleasing than the more earthy tone the E series exhibited with bright scenes. In my estimation, good window sizes to use for calibration seem to be either 5% conventional windows or approximately 18% APL windows.

With a 1080P/24 signal and Cinema Smooth engaged, my meter synced at around 96 Hz.

Cinema Smooth caused a significant shift in gamma and white balance, adding an average of 3 dE to the grayscale run. Because of this, it may be desirable to either send a Blu Ray signal to a dedicated input, put up with some motion judder by leaving Cinema Smooth off if you're not much of a movie watcher, or calibrate with Cinema Smooth on and let TV content be a bit less accurate.

After calibration:

How does the F8500 look after all the tweaks have been made? Majestic, with bright scenes oodling pop and excitement like I've never seen on a large plasma. It's textures are smooth, devoid of graininess. Colors look very lifelike, but on the polite side of accurate. Blacks and contrast are excellent, though not a substitute for the late, great Kuro king. The black bars are just visible with letterbox movies, but only in a dark room. Because of the way bright objects change our perception, the bars tend to be more visible with dark movie scenes than bright ones. Shadow detail is superb, looking correct in intensity and neutral in color. Resolution and sharpness are as good as I've seen.

I've calibrated many Panasonic 65VT50s, with the last one being just a couple of days ago. Though I did not have one available for a side by side comparison, I know it extremely well and can give impressions of how it and the F8500 compare.

Compared to the VT50 calibrated in the normal fashion of ISF Day using mid panel brightness, the F8500 is punchier in bright scenes. It is also a bit smoother, especially up close. The VT50 has slightly superior color accuracy, though it looks a bit more “hot” and colored with skin tones than the F8500's more relaxed color palette. If you are easily offended by the sunburnt look skin tones have on many displays, the F8500's less saturated but still seductive colors will be like a soothing balm on your eyes. The VT50's blacks are superior, though subjectively they appear extremely close. Dark movie scenes in dark rooms may show the VT50's slightly superior blacks. Motion quality will depend on if you use Cinema Smooth or not, but I prefer the VT50's motion overall. The F8500's edge in brightness makes it superior in slightly brighter rooms or if you just like brighter images.

The F8500 is a winner, with special appeal to lovers of bright and punchy images. It's color was very natural and easy on the eyes, and over all it's performance keeps pace with the very best.

Edited by HDTK

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Black levels

Black levels were measured with a C6 meter profiled with a Jeti 1211 reference spectro to the F8500.

Black level measured .0069 fL with Black optimizer off and a 1080P/60 source. With the Black optimizer set to Dark room or Auto, it measured .0025 fL. With 1080P/24 and cinema smooth on, black level was .0072/.0025 fL, which is not significantly different. With Black Optimizer set to either auto or Dark room, Movie mode's modified ANSI contrast ratio was 7436:1, at 34.95/.0047 fL. That was further evidence of some black level floating, as the black level on a dark screen was significantly lower than black level of the checkerboard. Because of this fluctuating black level in the Dark room setting, I made the decision to do the calibration in Movie mode with the Black optimizer off. As calibrated, with Black optimizer off, the modified ANSI contrast ratio measured 6034:1, at 38.62/.0064 fL.

ANSI

38.62 fL. = 132 cd/m²

0.0064 fL. = 0.0219 cd/m²

Black level measured .0069 fL with Black optimizer off and a 1080P/60 source.

.0069 fL = 0.0236 cd/m²

Panasonic TX-L42E6B LED

Calibrated black level (ANSI checkerboard) 0.0268 cd/m2

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/panasonic-tx-l42e6b-201303102720.htm

Edited by slimak

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No to ładne kwiatki wychodzą :D Ciekawe, czy egzemplarze z naszej rodzimej dystrybucji będą spisywać się tak samo. Zeszły rok potwierdził już, że wcale tak być nie musi np. w przypadku VT50 i poziomu czerni w trybie Profesjonalnyl1/2.

Recenzja Chad B' stoi w sprzeczności z tym co napisał Kevin Miller. Ciekawe, czy to kwestia egzemplarza... Po drugiej recenzji Samsung przestał być już tak interesujący. Kontrast ANSI "robi" tylko wysoką jasnością, która w teście jest za wysoka na oglądanie nocne. Poziom czerni jest natomiast na poziomie VT30.

Co do TX-L42E6B to chyba nie uwierzę dopóki nie zobaczę :) Z recenzji wynika, że kontrast ANSI tej matrycy jest >5000:1.Takie kwiatki występują na rynku np. w matrycy UV2A z 60" philipsa PFL9607, niestety kąty widzenia są w niej tak słabe, że moim zdaniem telewizor prawie nie nadaje się do używania.

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Widziałem już kilka podobnych pomiarów dla L42E6B. Niestety 250-300 linii w ruchu, powoduje, że ten tv, to tylko ciekawostka.

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Panasonic tx-p42st60 (Europa)


http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/panasonic-tx-p42st60-201303312779.htm

[Panel luminance] "low" 138 cd / m 2

[Panel luminance] "mid" 158 cd / m 2

[Panel luminance] "high" 166 cd / m 2

Skalibrowany poziom czerni (czarny ekran) 0,005 cd / m 2


ANSI [Panel luminance] "low"
czarny 0,007 cd / m 2







Chad B, TC-P50ST60 (USA)



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szczytowy biały (kontrast 78) 176 cd/m2

plansza 100% biały 63 cd/m2

plansza 100% czarny 0,0079 cd/m2

ANSI

biały 111 cd/m2

czarny 0,01 cd/m2

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Słuchajcie, nie ma co się zbytnio sugerować danymi ze Stanów tym bardziej że bardzo sie różnią od siebie ich pomiary. W jednym są zgodni, że nowy Samsung generuje lepszą ich zdaniem jakość od VT50. Jednakże testują na trybach których my w Europie nie mamy w Samsungu. Trzeba zaczekać na europejskie testy. St60 wygląda na best buy'a bez dwóch zdań. Tani, porządny sprzęt. 50 hz bug? Rozdmuchany do granic absurdu w internecie problem który jest minimalny i nawet recenzent z hdtvtest mówi że woli ten niby problem niż blur w led/lcd w ruchu.

2013 to rok plazmy:)

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Przypominam o cyfryzacji ;) co my tu mamy?

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Jakieś ciekawe info na gorąco? :))) nie każ czekać do pełnego opisu:)))))) rzeczywiście jasno na nim?

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Nie dość że wielki to jeszcze jasny prawie jak LCD. Ta plazma na prawdę wymiata w dzień ;)

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Jasność czerni na czarnym ekranie = 0,0078 [cd/m2], czyli tak jak na ST60 i prawie jak na VT60 :) Na planszy ANSI jednak wzrasta do 0,0192 [cd/m2], czyli podobnie jak w VT30. Co to oznacza? Powiem wkrótce po obejrzeniu kilku filmów na obu ekranach na raz ;)

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Panie Maćku , proszę sprawdzić na TVN 24 żeby ta plazma Samsunga tak pośmigała ze 4 godzinki i jaki efekt to zrobi w kwestii powidoków , czy będą widoczne , a jak tak czy równie szybko jak się pojawiły czy poznikają . No i jak jest w tym modelu z brzęczeniem przetwornicy na jasnym tle . :)

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Krótkie spostrzeżenia z dnia wczorajszego: ST60 ma lepszą czerń i da się to wyraźnie zauważyć mając oba TV obok siebie. Ta różnica nie jest jednak ogromna. Oba modele są bardzo udane i w obu modelach gdy dodamy podświetlenie tylne to czerń będzie się cały czas zlewać z ramką. F8500 mocno buczy i to także przy ciemnym ekranie. Słychać było z pozycji oglądania.

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